Rapid fire with Ian Darke
On Luis Suarez:
There's something wrong with him, isn't there? He can't be wired up right. He's going to do this again. It seems to be some sort of in-built reaction to stress in a match situation. And there is no defense. What was the phrase the FA used, "alien to football"? That's spot on. As a commentator, when you're watching a game, you're not expecting to see that. That does not compute. You're probably thinking, "Did I see that right? I have to make sure that it was happened." You can argue about a stray elbow or whether a tackle was trying to hurt a guy. But there's no masking that, is there?
On Manchester United:
It'll take a while for Van Gaal to get that team going.
On David Moyes' failure as Manchester United's manager:
I was told by a couple of the players that [Moyes] had a strange connect with them, almost as if he was conscious that they'd won more than he had. Maybe he felt he had to be a little bit respectful to some of the players there. Maybe anybody following Ferguson would have had those problems. But this guy doesn't care, does he?
On Stoke:
Geoff Cameron told me he's excited [about Stoke's new Barcelona influence]. "We play proper football now!"
On Southampton:
They've sold their soul a bit, haven't they? If you're a supporter of that club, I supposed you're tearing your hair out. I suppose the wider question is, is that the way of it, with clubs who dare to challenge the elite as they did? All their good players get taken away. I mean, they could say "No, we're not selling you. No, you're under contract with us, and you're going to play for us. Sorry." Liverpool did that with Luis Suarez a year ago.
On us saying 99 percent of the soccer fans we follow hate QPR (to the point where we didn't even consider visiting the club in our two days in London):
Everybody hates QPR? Well, I know Chelsea fans hate QPR.
"It was the same product, but with glossier wrapping," Darke says about the Premier League. "But most of all, the new kid on the block, which was Sky Sports, walking in, run by Rupert Murdoch, with a very fat check." Sky Sports launched in April 1991 and aimed for an immediate splash. "Suddenly the lives of these clubs were transformed overnight. That's why they went for the deal. When it happened, everybody was saying, 'What are they doing? They're putting the national game on this satellite channel that none of us have got?' Well, everybody went and bought the channel."
Imagine ESPN overbidding for the NFL in about 1981. That's more or less what Sky Sports attempted, and the gambit was successful.
"Everybody said, 'Well, what do they know about the sport? The coverage will be terrible!' says Darke, who was one of Sky's soccer announcers from the establishment of the Premier League. "The coverage was like, 'Wow.' They had so many more cameras. It quite quickly became a bit of a sensation.
"It's been very well-marketed as a product," he says of the League. "And the global interest in it has mushroomed spectacularly. It draws record ratings all around the world. They're sitting on a goldmine. More and more people want to buy it. Every bidding war, the figure goes higher."
In August 1999, Arsenal paid Juventus what was then a rather impressive £11 million for the 21-year old Henry, already a five-year veteran who had scored 23 goals. When the first Premier League season began in August 1992, the highest fee in English soccer was the £5.5 million Lazio had paid Tottenham Hotspur for Paul Gascoigne. By 1995, however, the skyrocketing began. Manchester United paid £7 million for Andy Cole, then Arsenal paid £7.5 million for Dennis Bergkamp, then Liverpool paid £8.5 million for Stan Collymore. In the summer of 1996, Newcastle paid a staggering £15 million for Alan Shearer, and the league was off and running.
"It's been treated at times like 1992 was a Year Zero, like there was no game before. They carried out a very successful repackaging."
Of course, life obviously isn't perfect in England. "My own personal bee in the bonnet: This country, with such a lucrative league, cannot for the life of it produce a decent national team. All of English football should be embarrassed about ... how is it that we have everything, and why should we be year after year worse than Germany, a country of a similar size?
"The inconvenient part of the argument is, we need to have more English players in our league. Now it's probably up to 65 or 75 percent of the players coming from out of the country. In the last World Cup, Roy Hodgson was probably picking his 23 from 60, realistically."
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"It's quite a boring thought, really, that until the end of time we'll be talking about these same teams contesting the title every year. That isn't good for the Premier League."
In every sport, in every era, we fall into the trap of assuming that the current balance of power will forever remain the balance of power. But when you're in the middle of an era, it's difficult to figure out how or when things might change.
In club soccer, there's a goals gap. In the Premier League, there are basically six positions of achievement -- the top three teams in the league reach the UEFA Champions League, the fourth-place team gets to play in a playoff to try to get there, and the fifth- and sixth-place teams get (have) to play in the Europa League, the NIT of European Soccer.
There are six spots, and the Premier League's ruling class currently features, by some definition, seven teams: the Manchester teams (United, City), the Liverpool teams (Liverpool, Everton), and the London teams (Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs). There are positions within that group -- we'll say that Everton and Spurs are only junior members -- but we know that those seven clubs are going to be going to Europe most of the time. In fact, in the last four seasons, only once has a team from outside of this ruling class finished in the top seven: Newcastle in 2012 (when Liverpool finished eighth).
Darke feels the biggest difference the influx of Premier League money has made is in terms of depth. "Although the teams at the top of the Bundesliga or in Spain might be better than the top teams in England, the teams who are 10th in England are much better than the teams who are 10th in the Bundesliga or Spain. You could be quite easily beaten 3-1 at Stoke. All of those teams -- West Ham, they're a tough team to play with they're in their right mind. It's not a formality.
There are too many cases of Barca and Real beating teams 6-0. And the Bundesliga, as good as it is, it isn't good if Bayern Munich are the champions by March."
Deep or not, however, the top teams are still a few steps ahead of the pack. Nobody's going to suddenly have the historical draw of Manchester United, Liverpool, or Arsenal. And while there are rich owners everywhere, few are italicized RICH OWNERS, with free-spending ways, like Chelsea's Roman Abramovich or Manchester City's Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
"This Financial Fair Play thing to me seems like, all it does is allow the rich clubs to stay richer."
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich (Getty Images) Combined with Financial Fair Play rules, it seems that whether we're talking about a big five or big seven in the ruling class, it's going to take a lot to change the overall hierarchy of English soccer. Manchester United's "total collapse" in 2013-14 took them all the way down to ... seventh, still at least eight points clear of the peasants. And then they went out and spent a bazillion pounds in the offseason to (attempt to) fix their roster.
"This Financial Fair Play thing to me seems like, all it does is allow the rich clubs to stay richer," Darke says. "They have to take some care [to avoid penalty], but say a multi-billionaire, like an Abramovich, wanted to take over Sheffield United. Can you do that anymore? You can only spend what you're making. And they're still only making whatever revenue they're making playing in League 1. There's another side here that they didn't think of [in creating these rules], that they need to think of."
Even with a staid ruling class, there are always clubs threatening to move into (or out of) the group. Aston Villa were at least a top-six club not too long ago. So who does Darke think of as sleeping giants? (We asked just about everybody on this trip the same question, and they basically all gave the same answer.)
"Villa are really a latent big club. Villa could certainly mushroom if they had the right kind of investment and tactics. Newcastle? Similar story. They could sell 50,000 tickets if they were playing the cleaners. But I fear that the era [of teams making smart personnel decisions and winning the league], the days where Derby, Nottingham Forest, Villa, even Blackburn can win this league are gone."
And really, that's good for the bottom line. If a Hull City and QPR were to make 100 straight perfect personnel and tactical decisions, craft an incredible rivalry, and break off a long string of league titles, the odds are still pretty good that Manchester United v. Liverpool would be a bigger draw because of history, name recognition, et cetera. "It is what it is, the marquee value of each club. That isn't to say that teams like Hull wouldn't be a great story. But Manchester United v. Liverpool is always going to be a bigger draw than Manchester United v. QPR."
Hey, speaking of Liverpool...
"I think there was a feeling last year, only from a journalistic point of view, that it would have been a great story had they gone on and won the title. It would have been a new name on the Premier League trophy. But I'd say the same if it was Everton or someone else coming to crash the party. A lot of us media guys got accused of being biased toward Liverpool. That very definitely was not the case; you report the league as it is, and they happened to be a great story. They were playing some fabulous football and making a surprising bid to win the title. Anybody who did that would have gotten the coverage they were getting.
"It was a horrible way for it to happen [Liverpool falling at the end of the season]. But is there a good way? What's the good way when you're that close?"
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In England, everybody knows your team. (It's a lot like SB Nation in that regard.) Darke is a Portsmouth guy. NBC's Arlo White is a Leicester guy. The Guardian's Danny Taylor is a Nottingham Forest guy. Et cetera.
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Darke continued to write a column for the Portsmouth News until just a couple of years ago. He had a (figurative) front-row seat for one of English soccer's most impressive collapses. Promotion and relegation are a focus of this series, especially Part 2 (in which we traveled to Nottingham and Leeds). But nobody can hold a candle to the heights and depths Portsmouth achieved in the last decade. Pompey have twice won first-division titles and twice won the FA Cup, but after decades outside of the top tier (they spent just one season in the first division between 1959 and 2003), they surged with young talent like Jermain Defoe, Glen Johnson, and Peter Crouch. They finished ninth in the Premier League in 2007, then eighth in 2008 with an FA Cup win. They played in Europe for the first time in 2009 and narrowly missed moving on to the knockout stage. And then they encountered fiscal armageddon. They ran out of money, encountered administration penalties, and completely fell apart: 14th in the Premier League in 2009, then 20th in 2010. They were relegated in 2010, then again in 2012, then again in 2013. Five seasons after playing in Europe, they were in England's fourth division (League 2), and for a while, it looked like they might be relegated again, right out of the Football League. But they rallied and finished 13th last season.
With the Pompey Supporters' Trust completing a deal to purchase the club, it appears Pompey are finally on solid fiscal ground; that's good, because it's an incredibly long road back.
"Dodgy, shady owners and living above their means," Darke says. "Everything that's happened to Portsmouth, and I say this as a guy who loves the club, they've deserved.
"They've paid their dues. They've been relegated and lost lots of points and been fined lots of points and nearly lost their place in the Football League.
"But there's something about the spirit of that club, where the fans are at their best in adversity. To me, it almost felt like they were turning up to the sick bed of somebody in the intensive care unit, turning up knowing that they weren't going to get good news about the patient. But we're coming anyway. We're going to be there for you anyway.
"And it was a great day when the supporter's trust won the right to take over the club. You go down there now, and there's quite a bit of care and love and attention from that place. Bit by bit, I have the feeling that they're starting to turn it around. We can actually as supporters of that club feel a little bit proud of the club again."
Ian Darke: Boxing guy, English national team cynic, fan of the home team.